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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: The longest pre season...2020-21
« on: June 06, 2020, 10:18:58 AM »
I'm not going to blame the hoards of kids that have appeared since restrictions were lifted, but there are lots of them appearing where I live...

The phased roadmap to rugby recently released by the RFU is interesting. The last phase just seems so far away at the minute, but the club I will hopefully be playing at (having moved away from Northumberland) are hoping to get started with some form of group training around the end of the month.

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Durham & Northumberland Three / Re: DN3 reshape
« on: May 13, 2020, 07:51:45 PM »
We are almost certainly going to see a league split?

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Durham & Northumberland Three / Re: DN3 reshape
« on: May 13, 2020, 02:59:30 PM »
West End have just announced they’ve been accepted into DN3. So does that make it 16 or have shields not yet been accepted back in?

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Durham & Northumberland Three / Re: DN3 reshape
« on: May 11, 2020, 08:26:58 PM »
I can’t see rugby as we know restarting until the virus has been banished or we have a vaccine

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: DandN Breakaway league
« on: May 10, 2020, 12:20:55 PM »
Great article that mate and a lot rings true in it.

Being brutally honest and this is my view only not my clubs but......

Winlaton since the inception of the leagues have played at L8 mostly, a brief sorte into L7 and a single season in L9 but otherwise that won’t change much. We have no ambition to climb up the pyramid and really do function as a community club. We won’t pay players or invest heavily in recruitment of players but other than wanting to run a successful youth system and a ladies/girls division that’s it.

So applying common sense we should/could/would support any league system which made participation more common and kept costs under control. So if in essence the counties, Durham & Northumberland ran the leagues we play in and we could never really get promoted to L6 that wouldn’t matter to us and I guess the vast majority of clubs in the DN leagues.

If that protected the game locally and made it more appealing for players I would back it.

Completely agree with this.

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Thoughts with all at Vulcans, on behalf on Border Park RFC.

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I could understand if a 3rd team wanted to break away as a stand-alone club in order to get the lads senior league rugby experience. But that argument doesn’t really stand up when by DMPs own admission a number of 2nd teamers are on the fringes of 1st team rugby already. Surely this is a sign that DMPs 1st and 2nd team are functioning well and don’t need to seek any league rugby for the second string?

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I’m just trying to get my head around the reasoning Flish. If players are being called into the 1s as recently as January, and the 2s appears to contain a number of so called fringe players, then what is the benefit of entering into the leagues other than for the benefit of the first team squad? Where do these fringe players come from when Elizabethans become their own entity and who do they play for when not required 1s? Is a new second team going to be put together? I don’t get it.


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Doesn't take a detective to figure out which players from the elizabethan team sheets are also on the 1st team squad webpage.

So is the link between DMP 1s and 2s being downplayed or am I missing something here?

Good luck to em!

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Taken directly from DMP Elizabethans vs Tynedale 2s match report in Jan:

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As it turns out, early concerns in the week leading up to this fixture with regards to raising a team due to some of our regulars being called up for first team duties (fantastic news by the way!)  , a few illness’s and work commitments were unfounded, as by Thursday 22 players had confirmed their availability, from a management point, we were already winning, this fact alone is a great sign that the future of the Elizebethans looks strong.


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Great Post Dar 1 to many people think league rugby is the be all and end all it is not. Competitive rugby should be what it's all about.Smaller leagues lower down the pyramid with competitive games against bigger clubs 2nd 3rd teams is the way ahead local Derbys players love them.I used PandS as an example earlier but it would work for all the sides. At the minute with the current league structure there are to many uncompetitive games which is in my opinion the biggest killer of player participation.

This is something I often ask myself and others - is league rugby really the be all and end all?

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Then only problem I would see with a split league would be if you were that 7/8 th team in top part and the only teams you have beat are the ones below you then the second half of the season could be a very tough one for you.

A DN4 sounds good to me needs to be more that 5 teams tho invite teams like Washington Hartlepool BBOB etc and don't punish them financially if they cancel games due to lack of players let them build the first year then review it later on.

Also does DN1 have to transfer a team to Y1 ( going to sound Harsh here) can a extra team not go down DN1 then extra team down DN2 then if there is DN 4 someone else comes down from DN3 to make a 6 team league already.

Hard lines on the DN3 sides who have relied on DN3 visiting sides income for however many years suddenly having to accept less games and sides having no incentive to turn up if they are struggling for any reason

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So potentially a 28 game season then. At level 9. Hope squads have plenty at their disposal.

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Why did they bin DN4? It’s a great idea.
It would not be bad thing to bring the likes of washy and west end into the DN “community”. You could play it under similar rules to the merit league but then I guess it would be hard lines on whoever is relegated from DN3, if they are fielding a full side weekly and there is no expectation to in DN4. Could hurt a club financially where they’d normally have a visiting side in DN3.

Not sure SH-possibly the belief that league rugby is all that counts.

This may be true at DN1 with big squads & junior teams but at DN3......

If any club joins the league system now they are looking at 22 games.  Big step up, smaller league = less risk (try getting players for 22 games when your not doing well).

BBOB, CLS, Washington, West end, Border park, South Shields-how are these teams doing?  Would a small DN4 be of interest to them?

Tournaments, Friday night lights, friendlies and touring teams are Border Park's focus for now, and there are long established annual playing traditions with the likes of Morpeth. The club had to re-think what it was doing in order to survive. There's a lot of lads from clubs from National 2 down to DN3 pulling on the jersey, in a barbarians kinda way, so we can put out mixed sides or tailor sides to suit the level of the fixture. So actually a lot of BP's players play their league rugby elsewhere already.
During BP's final seasons in the aln league, the RFU could not even pay sides to make the trip to kielder, more so 3rd teams struggling for numbers. That, combined with the draw of Tynedale for those wanting to play a better standard and the club's own geographical location has led us to where we are.
So I think entry to a DN4 would not suit the current model but never say never.

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Why did they bin DN4? It’s a great idea.
It would not be bad thing to bring the likes of washy and west end into the DN “community”. You could play it under similar rules to the merit league but then I guess it would be hard lines on whoever is relegated from DN3, if they are fielding a full side weekly and there is no expectation to in DN4. Could hurt a club financially where they’d normally have a visiting side in DN3.

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