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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Cumbria 1
« on: January 14, 2020, 06:58:47 PM »
Lots of good discussions and different points of view on show on the forum and I think that shows the RFU has got a thankless task in trying to keep everyone happy. So I think if I was them I would leave things as they are. Do agree with the Guv that the reason players don't want to play anything other than league games is because they are playing 26 Saturdays out of 52 and the game is a lot faster and with more collisions than ever before causing more injuries.I have said in the past that 10 team leagues would be my preferred option but can totally understand people's misgivings so I would probably leave it as is.
     I would consider changing promotion/relegation to 1 up 1 down as there has been a lot of clubs going up and coming straight back down and really struggling the season after not all mind. I would also give Level 7 clubs and above the option of refusing promotion if they want to due to the increased travel and expenditure.
     
     

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I quite like the idea of 1 up and 1 down. But might not work in a 14 team league...

Iíd still like jurisdiction for L7 and below to be made by the CBs - which I believe is going to be discussed at some stage by RFU North. That may allow certain changes to take place.

Atilla, I agree with your point in clubs not risking players before key league games with pointless Nationals cup fixtures. The reason clubs do this is because every f***ing game that is ever played these days is a be all and end all league game of rugby. Change this and you might see changes elsewhere. We canít do both as it currently is/or scheduled to be.

Again, youíre effectively agreeing with me about the Merit Leagues - scrap them...

I genuinely think D/N should be putting on a joint meeting so we can actually get a consensus on these issues. As thereís clearly so many differing views. I asked for this 2 years ago after my report on the status of league rugby in the North East.

My view always will be - if t ainít broke donít fix it (it wasnít broke and they did fix it and theyíve been trying to fix it ever since).

And now they have Ďfixed ití and have to change it every few years without any actual change...

ĎThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different resultsí.

Letís try something totally radical! If it doesnít work we can at least say we really tried. Because at the moment we all know this is going to rear itís ugly head again in a few seasons with the current proposals.


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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Cumbria 1
« on: January 14, 2020, 12:34:03 PM »
Changes will apply at level 4 which is a 16 team league and 5 and below are 14 teams with the options presented before 12 team leagues looked to be the consensus

Level 4 loses 4 National 2
Level 5 loses 6 North Premier
Level 6 loses 8 North One East
Level 7 loses 10 D&N 1
Level 8 loses 12 D&N 2

Unfortunately the RFU believe that clubs using a large number of players to fulfil their fixtures is a negative and that a reduced number of games will allow clubs to reduce those players used.

My opinion is indeed the opposite, players play when they want and are unavailable for a number of reasons. Using more players shows that IXV rugby is not a closed shop and players get an opportunity to. Take advantage of another's availability to prove himself in a game situation. Clubs with more depth should rise in the pyramid structure and those investing in their youth systems graduating developing and mentoring young players should remain strong with a greater number of league fixtures. Their are also other clubs that can still develop without a junior section but have to work hard in their offering as a club making sure they listening to the players and their needs, Winlaton are 1 excellent example of this with the number of teams they field.

I'm not sure the system is broken and league rugby is here to stay. Reducing league numbers will not fix the the Durham senior cup. Intermediate and vase are always very well respected and keenly contested. Historical fixtures are exactly that history, if clubs and players wanted them there would have been more games over Christmas where there was much opportunity to play either Boxing Day or the Saturday but only a few clubs played Rovers v West, Ryton v Blaydon, Winlaton v Consett any others?
Friendlies are in effect social rugby and in many clubs this is at crisis point with the biggest mis-matches taking place on a weekly basis.

Clubs need to work together to improve the after match experiences to revive the comieradery with teams mixing for a pint or lucozade rather than returning to the historical muddy blood baths of the good old days. Rugby has changed for the better (in my opinion) and still needs to be shaped and nurtured to contain the values and histories of why we got involved. All of today's players have entered rugby during the league era it's what they know.
If there are to be changes i hope they are sooner rather than later and which ever option they go with the keyboard warriors will have thier say.

Because thereís already too many games and players want a rest. I donít understand why thatís too hard to understand? Why would clubs want to start playing Boxing Day games (when families now take precedence) when thereís no space elsewhere to revive historical fixtures?

Mis matches at junior levels have become mismatches for a while host of reasons. One of the main arguments would be the insistence of 2nd and 3rd teams being in a pointless league system - which sometimes sees a 2nd team having a weekend off but the 3rd team has a game. So what happens? 10-15 lads just filter down and play and stuff another side. Itís nonsensical!

The refusal of some people to accept this is the reason weíre at this stage. I can see it getting a whole lot worse before it gets better.  And itíll only get worse when DN1 ends up with half the league with Cumbria in it too.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Cumbria 1
« on: January 14, 2020, 09:17:21 AM »
I know nothing specific but get the feeling that they want 12 team leagues to follow with the rest of England. If they donít create another L6 league to make it 3 in the North then the maths makes it 4 down to DN1 W with 2 up, 4 down to DN2 and 2 up, same in DN3 leaving an 8 team DN4 if my maths are correct?
Friendlies??
Not going to happen.

Why?

The RFU systematically destroyed the notion of a friendlies when they introduced home and away fixtures in 1996. If you look at any clubís fixture lists before then it would have been full of historical fixtures against local clubs. Saying it wonít work based on nothing, doesnít mean it wonít work. Get fixture secretaries involved again.

This weekend, Novos were fortunately able to play host to Middlesbrough 1s and 2s. This is the exception rather than the rule these days.. Iím sure those from Boro enjoyed he day and we certainly enjoyed hosting them. Fewer league games would also allow a return to club wide fixtures each season.

1s and 3s at home - 2s away. Or if clubs only have 2 teams then 1s and 2s at home. Then reverse the following season. Middlesbrough brought a bus and spent a fortune. Iíd rather that spent over the bar than  one team turning up and leaving after half a pint of Coke.

Thereís plenty of positives to be had as opposed to saying it wonít work. And Iím yet to be given a good reason for at least not trying this. Unfortunately, 12 clubs in a league doesnít really sort the issue.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Fixtures 4/1/2020
« on: January 04, 2020, 11:48:18 PM »
A broken ankle, torn ligaments in shoulder, 15 stitches, a broken hand and a concussion!

Not ideal for our first game of the decade.

Yes the game was on the artificial pitch. I think for the broken ankle his studs were caught underneath him - this could happen on a grass pitch too. The other injuries Iím not sure you could correlate to an artificial pitch.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Fixtures 4/1/2020
« on: January 04, 2020, 04:05:21 PM »
Rock 28-20 Novos

Novos finished with 12 men due to injury and one sin bin. 3 lads in A & E with some nasty injuries. Hopefully they all have a speedy recovery.

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Durham & Northumberland Two / Re: SCORES 14 Dec?
« on: December 26, 2019, 10:02:42 PM »
Gosforth win a game and thereís conspiracy theories...

They may have recruited but theyíre using old heads whoíve semi retired

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Durham & Northumberland Two / Re: SCORES 14 Dec?
« on: December 16, 2019, 12:04:07 PM »
Theyíve been bringing some old heads out of retirement I believe.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: results 07/12
« on: December 10, 2019, 10:32:04 PM »
Touchť.

Have I been served here gentlemen?

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: results 07/12
« on: December 10, 2019, 08:48:00 AM »
It was almost funny for the first one. The last 10...not so sure.

Kudos for picking an email without your name in. Clearly not as daft as your posting history suggests.

I like Medicals and Iíve many friends there. Youíre really not doing your club any favours here. Iíd advise that you stop otherwise Iíll ban the account so not to tarnish Medicalsí name any further.

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: South Leicester rfc
« on: December 02, 2019, 04:59:36 PM »
That's exactly what the forum's for! We need more rugby chat regardless of where or what level it is.

It's a sad indictment of payment in rugby - but some clubs never learn. Indeed they only learn when it's too late.

You can add to the list plenty of clubs who have fallen out of the leagues. Immediately springing to mind are Halifax and Solihull?

Payment really isn't sustainable - even Championship clubs struggle!

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Other Senior Rugby / Re: N'land Senior Cup
« on: November 29, 2019, 09:46:00 AM »
Morpeth 11-10 Alnwick

Alnwick missed a last minute penalty

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: RFU league changes
« on: November 27, 2019, 07:48:50 AM »
I did ask in the meeting whether there was any scope for CBs to have some form of devolution for L7 and below. At present, we canít due to North Comp Regs.

That could be one way of the 40 DN clubs coming to a majority vote and solution for the future if the Regs were to change. But the RFU will place their changes first regardless.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: RFU league changes
« on: November 27, 2019, 07:43:48 AM »
Thereíll be a reduction in games. No doubt about it.

So if you want clubs to tick over, I would argue for something more radical than 12 team leagues as thatís when clubs probably wonít organise other fixtures. And if they donít? Tynedale, Blaydon and other 2nd tams will end up joining the leagues.

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: RFU league changes
« on: November 26, 2019, 12:39:13 PM »
Bingo.

Because thereís too many league games and players instinctively look to those weekends to do something else?

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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: RFU league changes
« on: November 26, 2019, 10:35:11 AM »
Interesting proposals.

Clearly players just want to play rugby in whatever form. I was the ONLY player from Durham and Northumberland in attendance. I think that tells you all you need to know.

Players will play. Itís the administrators of (some) clubs that are scared of changes.

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