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Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Match rreports
« on: December 04, 2018, 11:12:20 AM »
As match reports are written by one of the club's own supporters I think some level of favouring their own side is inevitable and acceptable  One comment from the Westoe reporter that could be taken the wrong way was when looking forward to next week's game against Northern he writes "They will take solace knowing that the side performs much better against quality opponents" .  Is that inferring that Horden and Rovers are not 'quality' opponents despite both sides beating his team?

Have a look at this report from Billingham. That man is certainly committed to his role http://www.billinghamrugby.co.uk/news/billingham-rufc-1st-xv-by-our-very-own-david-munns-2373504.html

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: November 26, 2018, 11:36:05 PM »
7 + 23 = 30 ÷ 2 = 15 a side

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Result 24/11/18
« on: November 24, 2018, 08:31:04 PM »
Whitby 18 Ponteland 17.Whitby snatched their first win of the season with a last kick of the game penalty after Pont had taken the lead with a penalty try only 1 minute early to produce a dramatic finish to a scrappy hard fought game
Well done.  Nothing against Ponteland but good to see Whitby getting some reward for their efforts

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: November 23, 2018, 01:07:56 PM »
A very honest and gentlemanly response.  One that is definitely in the spirit of rugby.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: November 21, 2018, 10:07:52 PM »
As Director of Rugby for Barnard Castle and Manager for the Second team yes it was disappointing yesterday that DMP 3s became a mixed side of 2s and 3s. Where did that leave Castle
a) we had 20 players wanting to play a game of rugby, if we had known DMP were loading their 3s in advance , would we have pulled out - no definitely not - trying to get a replacement fixture at short notice is a nightmare for us and we would have not have been awarded any league pounts at all
b) players will not improve if they dont play stronger sides - while yesterday ended up with a bit of a thumping, if i asked any of my players if they would have preferred to back out - I can assure you they would much rather have played
c) as Hit Man Hall has indicated although we struggle to contain them in defence we played some good rugby at times and probably deserved to score more than the one try we managed - it showed up some areas where we need to improve our game - you dont learn those lessons if you dont come under the hammer sometimes

Where I do feel the side is hard done by - is that when DMP have been short of players and have pulled out of games, the unfortunate opposition club while deprived of a game get some compensation in the award of a nine point league win, 4 for the HWO and a 5 try bonus. We on the other hand have to be content with 2 points , one for playing the game and one for our try we scored.  Ultimately Castle will always play whatever is put in front of us , will leave the histrionics for others. I have to lay my trust in the League secretaries and close season member's meetings to find a solution to this niggling problem. Personally I feel the answer must lie in penalising the clubs that operate the strategy of trying to play a 1s and a 3s with no 2s unless it suits them. and ensuring that the opposition clubs that either face up to the challenge or get a walk over are treated equitably.

No ranting at this end - just a feeling that there are solutions to the problem but walking away from a game isnt one of them

Cheers Dave


West Stags are reporting that they turned up with 12 men against Barney 2nds on Saturday gone and played against a team with greater numbers.

If this was true it also doesn't seem to be in the spirit of Rugby nor in keeping with Candy League rules.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Results 10.11.18
« on: November 12, 2018, 11:06:42 PM »

It wouldn’t surprise me if the leagues were reduced to 12 sides going forward to fall in line with the rest of the country. Apparently the north is the only region with 14 team divisions. Any cup competition to add fixtures into the season might involve Cumbria and Yorkshire as well as us.

There are 14 team leagues at level 7 in the South West. So another way to describe the position is that half the regions have 14 team leagues.   

However I also believe that in the North the RFU are planning a reduction to 12 teams - and I doubt this is motivated by  player welfare.  The review is looking to bring a 'solution' to 2 issues.  Firstly trying to bring the breakaway Lancs clubs back into the RFU fold and secondly to give more variety of opposition to the Cumbria clubs.

The cynic in me expects the RFU to announce 12 team more 'local' leagues at level 7 and below.  This should satisfy the Lancs clubs and also reduce excess travel spend by the RFU.  The extra weekends will indeed be a new cup competition which will include the Cumbria clubs to keep them happy.  If the RFU can find a sponsor for this new competition they will save more money.

Despite all the evidence quoted about how the cup competitions are falling out of favour I believe this what will be proposed.  Let's see. 

Durham & Northumberland Three / Re: results 03/11
« on: November 05, 2018, 04:53:14 PM »
Still suffering from the heartbreak of being relegated as a result of league restructure/reshuffle last year, I'm a bit wary of this. I can see it now:
  17/18 Blyth just escape relegation - relegated by league restructure.
  18/19 Blyth win the league (let's face it!) - not promoted due to league restructure.

Yorkshire leagues have 14 teams per league. Any thoughts or experiences on how they are managing this?

DN1 and DN2 have 14 teams as well. 

I thought that retaining 14 teams after other teams came into DN2 was the reason that Blyth were relegated.  Any restructure (to more teams) may have saved them.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: October 28, 2018, 05:30:53 PM »
I’m sure hit man hall reffed the game yesterday I wonder if he would care to comment on the game.
I would doubt very much that he would comment on a game that he refereed, would do him a lot more harm than good.

He already has.  See above.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: October 28, 2018, 11:35:53 AM »
If i were a genuine dmp 3rds lad i would probably be unhappy if i didnt get a game so superstars could hammer someone... im sure those lads would be welcome at local clubs who wouldnt do.that and they would get to play every week and not dropped to give a paid player a run about against 3rd team oppo

I'd thought the same as you that some 2nd XV players would be on paid contracts so that when they played a 3rd XV game they would be so much better than the usual standard.

Reading LineoutGeneral's post though makes me wonder. If it is the case that there is a break between the full first XV squad and the rest of the club then Mowden seem to have other problems.

Not that that excuses them from cancelling a 2nd XV fixture, again, to play a 3rd XV.  I like Atilla's suggestion.  Don't play against Mowden 3rds unless Mowden 2nds are playing.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: THE SPIRIT OF RUGBY
« on: October 27, 2018, 07:40:29 PM »
Mowden seem to have settled on a policy of just playing their 2nd XV fixture lately if they have 2nds and 3rds on the same day.  This will be of little comfort to Horden 2nds who got smashed off Mowden '3rds' earlier this season after the 2nd XV game was called off.

Well maybe Mowden haven't changed completely.  Their 2nds were due to play Alnwick 2nds today but Alnwick ended up playing Novos.  I don't know the reason for this but it did leave 'a strong Mowden 3rds" able to well and truly beat Barnard Castle 2s.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Dreaded League Reshuffles.
« on: October 26, 2018, 10:53:38 AM »
"There is no easy solution and comments across both this and the Yorkshire board show any change is going to end in more conflict."

It might not be in favour with all but leaving the DN leagues as they are is my preferred option. 

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Dreaded League Reshuffles.
« on: October 26, 2018, 10:20:06 AM »
Simply can’t agree. Problem 1, you have to accommodate these teams, if we’re looking to reduce the number of games AND accommodate these 3 teams, then almost half of D and N 1 gets relegated. Problem 2. We have enough problem with Clubs trying to get players to travel North of the Tyne, or South of the Tess, so getting players to go over the A66 will create major problems. Problem 3, it creates another split in the leagues and why on earth should we inherit a problemthat Lancs and Cheshire can’t solve. Problem 4, what happens after the first season when the top side in the Cumbria Level 8 gets promoted? We are just creating a problem, not solving one.
I thought we were looking at reducing travel, not adding to it.

Teessidewire - Pretty spot on analysis.  There will be variations in travel time depending on actual journey but for the most you are looking at about 2 hours.

Atilla - "I wasn’t aware there is a specific aim of reducing travel". Travel time for Lancashire clubs is what has caused their breakaway and the RFU review

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: Dreaded League Reshuffles.
« on: October 26, 2018, 12:24:59 AM »
"So anybody tell me the answer to that ? "

 Err no. But it would appear to be a potential argument in trying to achieve some rapprochement with the Lancashire clubs.

Thanks for your views and I do have a lot of sympathy for the state that the Cumbria clubs are in at Level 7 and below with 8 team leagues being a bit 'stale' in the variety of clubs played.  However I have confess this sympathy would not, in my own personal view, extend to volunteering Durham & Northumberland leagues to merge with Cumbria. 
Nothing personal but the travelling is just too much compared to what we are used to.  Sorry.

Other Senior Rugby / Re: The Lost Art...
« on: October 24, 2018, 09:34:23 PM »
There was a chap from Acklam (Alf Raine?) Who when a penalty was awarded would often pick the ball up, put it under his arm and stride purposefully towards the opposition waving them back as if the referee had given 10 yards extra.  After playing against him a few times you knew it was coming and would just smash him but he got away it a few times.
Think Mick Conlon at Stockton has used the trick a few times as well.

Durham & Northumberland One / Re: D/N bashing
« on: October 22, 2018, 05:59:56 PM »
One can quite see where the author Backrowbandit is coming from.  After all everyone has a £4 million club and grounds and a benefactor in the Sunday Times Rich List.  Don't they?

Let them eat cake.

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