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Other Senior Rugby / Re: England
« Last post by Pied Piper of Hameln on January 19, 2021, 01:58:09 PM »
Having looked at the fixtures this is how my final table looks.

France  20
England  19
Ireland 15
Scotland 14
Wales 6
Italy 1

Dont see anyone doing the Grand Slam and have France nicking it with an extra bonus point.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: England
« Last post by Mugsy on January 18, 2021, 09:11:00 PM »
I always think that it is possible to have a decent stab at who might win the 6 nations based on where the fixtures are.
You want your nation to be at home against the big lads and away to the weaker ones.
This year's fixtures aren't particularly favourable to the England cause in my opinion, but will be seen as such by some.

6 Feb:  The Sweaties* H

13 Feb: The Eyeties* H

27 Feb: The SheepShaggers* A

13 March: The Frogs* H

20 March: The Bogtrotters* A.

*If anyone is offended by the derogatory terms used, please feel free to hate the English.

To spin it positively, you could argue that they will get out of the blocks with 2 home games, the first of which they should win and the second they should get some scoring practice. This will get them on a roll.
Then they go to Wales to play a side which, as I write this, looks as weak as they have in two decades, away, followed by the French, who are arguably their main threat, at home.
If this pans out as above then they will probably have to win the finale in Dublin - always a massive ask, but maybe easier than when Ireland were at their peak 2/3 seasons ago.

One thing is sure - we won't be sitting with our mates in our respective clubhouses watching. HARUMPH.  :'(
Other Senior Rugby / Re: R.I.P. Andrew Arnell
« Last post by Renegade on January 18, 2021, 04:06:01 PM »
I didn't know him too much as playing wise our paths didn't cross but reffed him a lot over 7/8 years as BBOB was always one of my fav places to go.

Biggest compliment I could give the lad was he was always trying to help me as a ref, for a 9 he would chat but never disrespectful and he led his players well. Such a sad loss.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: R.I.P. Andrew Arnell
« Last post by No. 6 to Middlegate on January 18, 2021, 02:01:18 PM »
A really sad loss.  Andrew was a smashing player and human being.   You only have to look at the eulogies on the websites and Facebook pages across Hartlepool and other clubs to see how well regarded and respected he was.

RIP mate.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: R.I.P. Andrew Arnell
« Last post by flish on January 18, 2021, 12:42:04 PM »
Was shocked to read this too, my first ever refs appointment was at BBOB - and whilst he didnít know this - he made my game as easy as it could be (and didnít tell me how bad I was!), reffed him many times since then and played a few vets games against him too, always a true rugby gent, the game needs more people like him :-(
Other Senior Rugby / Re: R.I.P. Andrew Arnell
« Last post by TheGuv on January 18, 2021, 10:31:07 AM »
Very sad to hear of the lads. My thoughts and condolences to his family, friends and all at BBOB. I read his obituary on the BBOB website and must say he must have been a terrific bloke and rugby player. A sad loss.

Andrew started his rugby career at Rovers but moved to Brigade at the beginning of the 2012/13 season. Since then he has been the heart beat of the club, almost single handedly ensuring our survival when it looked as if we would fold a few seasons back. Andrew epitomised what it was to be a rugby player, never taking a step backwards on the pitch, no matter the difference in size, yet once the game was over you would struggle to find a more humble, unassuming man. He would make time for anyone and was always the first to welcome new players to the club. Andrew could cut teammates in half with a put down for not pulling their weight (if I was your size I would be playing for England being a personal favorite), but likewise would have you walking off the pitch feeling ten feet tall after giving you praise. Players would run through brick walls for Andrew, knowing he would, and had, done the same for them. The picture shown is from our last game pre covid, which would ultimately prove to be Andrew's last. He is shown, as always, leading from the front.

In his time at Brigade Andrew played 211 games, scored 83 tries, spent 5 years as captain, was 3 times player of the year, 2 times leading try scorer and a clubman of the year.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to Rachel, Daniel, Olivia, Eric, Cath, Paul and the rest of the family at this heartbreaking time.

RIP Arnie you were loved by everyone who had the pleasure of pulling on a shirt with you.
Other Senior Rugby / R.I.P. Andrew Arnell
« Last post by Pied Piper of Hameln on January 17, 2021, 08:23:10 PM »
Was absolutely gutted to hear of the sad passing of Andrew Arnell.  Absolutely cracking lad. Refereed him a few times when he was playing for his beloved Boys Brigade. A real competitor and bloody good scrum half and a nicer lad you couldn't of met. Also got to know him through his coaching of a joint Rovers/Horden youth side. My thoughts are with his family and all the lads down at Brigade.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: England
« Last post by Pied Piper of Hameln on January 15, 2021, 11:45:49 PM »
Yes agree Odugwu not the finished article but really think he has something and would be a crying shame to lose him to Italy. I am not saying give him a cap for the sake of it but surely someone should be having a conversation with the young man and telling him what he needs to do to get in the squad. You cant coach pace and power well maybe a little bit.  Surely though Wasps and England can work on his positional play and tackling to get him to the required standard. Cant not but be impressed by young Radwan electric pace doing unbelievably well for first season in Premiership.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: England
« Last post by Mugsy on January 15, 2021, 11:02:06 PM »
Yes watched that game Parton and Smith were both very good. Was really impressed with Harry Randall again against Exeter even if it was a drab game. Now to a game that wasnt drab the Bath Wasps game. I do like Cameron Redpath as a 12 though does need to work on his defence. Was interested to see Lee Blackett talking up Paolo Odogwu for Italy. Surely on current form England should be looking at him. Great pace big powerful runner an absolute handful not many people break through an Underhill tackle.

Not sure about Odogwu yet Piper; he's electric with ball in hand and very powerful, but I'm a bit concerned about his positional sense. On two occasions recently I've seen the opposition fly half spot him out of position and kick to his wing, where the ball was caught unopposed by his opposite number. One led directly to a try and I rewound a few times to try and find out where he was - I still don't know! Out of shot somewhere.
I do wonder why he was used sparingly by Sale (and until recently at Wasps) despite his obvious talent in attack - he scores tries wherever he plays, including plenty for England 7s and U20, yet was loaned out to Sale FC and then Rotherham. Was it a problem with his defensive work, including the positional discipline I've highlighted? I haven't seen enough of his tackling/defensive nous to comment on that.
He plays the game with a grin and I hope he takes the chance he now undoubtedly has to become a household name.
I'll be watching with interest.

Here's a thought: maybe one day we'll see Odogwu and Radwan on the England wings with Parton making up a lightning back 3! Whoosh! That would be fun.
Other Senior Rugby / Re: England
« Last post by Mugsy on January 15, 2021, 10:34:55 PM »
I agree with Mugsy and Dave, there's a first.

I disagree, we often agree.  :D
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