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Offline Renegade

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Level Transfer to Y1?
« on: April 30, 2016, 07:30:07 PM »
With one team having to be level transferred over to Y1 because of two DN clubs being relegated down to level 7 who do we think it might be?

Can't be Boro as they have already had that fate or Acklam for the same reason (5y hiatus), the closest side geographically would be Barnard Castle?

That would be really hard to take if it was, going into DN1 would be a big enough challenge never mind Y1.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 08:29:06 PM »
Not sure if Stockton will be closer to several Yorkshire clubs than Barnard Castle. Stockton should be closer to Scarboro, Bridlington and Hullensians. Barney should be closer to North Ribblesdale. As for the other clubs I think there will have to be some careful maps and mileage checks done!

It is a bit daft having one or another 'true' Durham club transferred though while there are 2 'true' Yorkshire clubs in the DURHAM and Northumberland League.‎

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 12:08:43 PM »
The time period from a previous level transfer is 2 years, not 5.

Any 'Yorkshire' clubs in the D&N structure are considered to be part of the D&N structure once accepted. Their location alone has no sway when it comes to level transfer (except for the selection criteria laid out in Reg 13)

With regard to selection via distance, it is the total distance for journey's. A quick exercise on Google maps will bring up the likely candidates.
Stockton, Barney and Acklam might want to check it out.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 01:51:48 PM »
Thanks for the info on the 2 year rule. I assume Boro will be protected then.

If Acklam are back in the frame I think Stockton should be safe as Acklam were the club considered to have the Lowest Total Mileage when they were last forced into a Level Transfer (2013/14?).  Though admittedly the ‎make of the Y1 league will have changed a bit since then.  I'd also think Barney should be safe as well but haven't checked anything.  

Acklam will be delighted

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 02:01:22 PM »
Thanks for the info on the 2 year rule. I assume Boro will be protected then.

If Acklam are back in the frame I think Stockton should be safe as Acklam were the club considered to have the Lowest Total Mileage when they were last forced into a Level Transfer (2013/14?).  Though admittedly the ‎make of the Y1 league will have changed a bit since then.  I'd also think Barney should be safe as well but haven't checked anything. 

Acklam will be delighted
It would be ironic if it was Barney as the team they cried off against in the National Cup have also just won promotion to Y1.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2016, 02:21:43 PM »
Boro were level transferred into DN1 last season so should go back, as happened to Acklam.
I am sure that it will be made more complicated than that though.

Boro are a Yorkshire club which is why they play in the Yorkshire Cup.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2016, 05:53:36 PM »
Boro were level transferred into DN1 last season so should go back, as happened to Acklam.
I am sure that it will be made more complicated than that though.

Boro are a Yorkshire club which is why they play in the Yorkshire Cup.
So you've not read reg 13 then?
Unless Boro volunteer, they're not going to Yorkshire 1

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2016, 06:35:41 PM »
We've been told that the 2 year rule only applies at the level you got level transferd at,  so as we were in level 8, we've only had 1 season at level 7.
Plus Stocktons new ground is apparently closer,  so if it comes down to milage it might work against them.

(d) Where two Clubs have an identical Lowest Total Mileage and
(subject to Regulation 13.2.11 (g)) a choice between those Clubs has
to be made the following will apply in sequence:
(i) Club(s) that competed in Season 2014-15 in the league to
be augmented in Season 2015-16 shall remain there for
another season; or
(ii) In the absence of any Club competing in the league to
be augmented, if one of the Clubs competed at a lower
league Level in Season 2014-15 then that Club shall be
asked if it wishes to take a Level Transfer, if not the Club
that competed at a higher league level shall be subjected
to the Level Transfer; or
(iii) If both Clubs competed at the same level in Season 2014-
15 then the Club with the Best Playing Record shall be
asked if it wishes to take a Level Transfer and if not, the
other Club shall be subject to the Level Transfer.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2016, 09:38:33 PM »
We've been told that the 2 year rule only applies at the level you got level transferd at,  so as we were in level 8, we've only had 1 season at level 7.
Plus Stocktons new ground is apparently closer,  so if it comes down to milage it might work against them.

I couldn't see anything specific in Regulation 13 about the two year rule only applying at the level you got transferred at.  Can you provide the quote?  Just before the conditions you did quote there is a para that says "Note: This Regulation applies whether a Club has remained in the League following the Season or has been promoted or relegated into it pursuant to Regulation 13.2
.11 (b"

For the question of mileage I did a couple of sample tests of the following 4 clubs travelling to York Rugby club and Bradford Salem Rugby Club  using Bing Maps.  I don't claim it is accurate (for Bradford in particular I had to alter the route so they were similar) but these were the results.  If they are true and consistent I cannot see Stockton or Barney having the Lowest Total Mileage

Middlesbro RUFC to York = 43.9 miles
Acklam RUFC to York = 44.8 miles
Stockton RFC to York = 46.2 miles
Barnard Castle RFC to York = 57.6 miles

Middlesbro RUFC to Bradford = 67.1 miles
Acklam RUFC to Bradford = 68.0 miles
Stockton RFC to Bradford = 69.5 miles
Barnard Castle RFC to Bradford = 72.0 miles

I suspect secretaries at these clubs are doing something similar!

« Last Edit: May 01, 2016, 09:40:12 PM by No. 6 to Middlegate »

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 03:42:12 PM »
Middlesbrough and acklam are exempt so it leaves stockton or barney.

The fact is this will always going to happen as the yorkshire clubs in y1 are stronger look at the north one east is virtually all yorkshire. So next season if we have same scenario it will either or from stockton and barney or Guisborough if they get relegated.

Its whos turn is it next.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 07:20:01 PM »
I am not yet convinced that Middlesbrough or Acklam are ‎exempt. 

I think there may be doubts over Silent Assassin's assertion that Acklam are excluded as they have only played 1 season at Level 7 back in DN and a query over what Constituent Body or Divisional affiliation Middlesbrough actually belong to.

‎Happy for anyone to point out in Regulation 13 evidence to the contrary.

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 10:36:12 AM »
Middlesbrough and acklam are exempt so it leaves stockton or barney.

The fact is this will always going to happen as the yorkshire clubs in y1 are stronger look at the north one east is virtually all yorkshire. So next season if we have same scenario it will either or from stockton and barney or Guisborough if they get relegated.

Its whos turn is it next.

I'm not sure that it's true that the Yorkshire sides dominate North One East as this year it was an even split with 7 teams from Durham Northumberland and 7 from Yorkshire so next year there will only be 8 Yorkshire teams due to the way promotion has worked. Yet again people assume Yorkshire rugby is streets ahead when in fact the only difference may be the money they are willing to pay!

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2016, 04:00:58 PM »
Any update on clubs being approached to move over to Yorkshire1?

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2016, 08:21:36 AM »
Is it true, Acklam to Yorkshire1  ??

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Re: Level Transfer to Y1?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2016, 09:52:14 AM »
where did you hear that??