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Offline TheGuv

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London Welsh kicked out of Championship
« on: January 24, 2017, 09:32:53 PM »
Thoughts....? It looks like pro clubs are struggling with the money in the sport. A sad day indeed.


London Welsh have been removed from English rugby’s professional ranks and will immediately forfeit their place in the Championship.

The Rugby Football Union has declared the club’s position in the second-tier Championship “untenable” after it failed to convince England’s governing body of a sound future financial footing. London Welsh fell into liquidation in December, before being granted a temporary licence that expired on 21 January.

A new board was challenged to provide evidence of funds to pay creditors and clarity on a new business plan, but RFU bosses were left unconvinced.

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“It is deeply regrettable that we should arrive at this point, but with London Welsh in liquidation and unable to satisfy conditions to compete in The Championship as a professional club, participation in the competition became untenable,” the RFU chairman, Andy Cosslett, said. “We know this will be an extremely disappointing day for everyone connected with London Welsh, including players, staff and supporters, and the sadness at the loss of this club from the professional ranks will be shared throughout the game.”

London Welsh became one of the amateur domestic game’s glamour clubs in the 1960s and 70s, boasting Wales stars like John Dawes, JPR Williams, Gerald Davies and John Taylor.

But the Old Deer Park side have struggled to move with the times and falling into liquidation in December has now proved fatal to their professional status.

An RFU statement read: “Following the appointment of liquidators in December 2016, a temporary licence was granted by the RFU to London Welsh, via a ‘Phoenix Entity’, to enable participation in The Championship.

“The licence expired on 21 January 2017. The conditions required by the RFU regulations to enable London Welsh to continue to participate in the competition following the expiry of the temporary licence have not been met – despite the RFU granting two extensions to deadlines – and, with regret, London Welsh will no longer be granted permission to play in the Championship for the remainder of this season and beyond.”

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Re: London Welsh kicked out of Championship
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2017, 11:08:21 AM »
Never a good day when a club goes under at any level.  Welsh appear to have massively overstretched themselves financially in pursuit of the Premiership dream, but let's face it, who wouldn't have done put in their place?  They probably never predicted what a harsh lesson their solitary season was going to be, and underestimated the further financial implications of Premiership rugby  Let's hope they can come back in some way.

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Re: London Welsh kicked out of Championship
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 06:34:37 PM »
Perfect example of that old saying "Careful what you wish for."

My heart goes out to all at London Welsh RFC. A great club with a proud history - including some of the biggest Welsh legends from their golden era (1968-78). Sadly, in this modern era, money speaks way too loudly and they fall victim to their dreams and aspirations.

l hope they can bounce back from this. l also hope no other clubs suffer the same fate. lts no longer just a game - its big business at that level and the creditors are always looking to pounce once the vultures start circling.

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Re: London Welsh kicked out of Championship
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 05:02:03 PM »
The game in England has some big problems.

Firstly, we only have around 14-16 clubs that can be considered professional in the country. My meaning is that they are able to operate on or around cost and not at a constant loss year on year. The championship should be scrapped as it stands and the Premiership expanded to reflect that, 14 clubs would be ideal, similar to France and no promotion or relegation. You could be really controversial and stipulate that the places will be handed out to reflect coverage all over the country, at present only 2 clubs are from north of the Midlands, Sale and Newcastle. Neither of those are nailed on to stay in the premiership long term. Add London Irish and Yorkshire Carnegie into the Premiership and you have really good national coverage and the weaker clubs can plan knowing financially they aren't at risk so can develop their squads accordingly.

Every 5 years or so you can review it and if another second tier club has built the base and fits the right criteria they can join as a replacement for one of the weaker or financially strapped clubs. This keeps the standards high for players and their safety and provides a good platform to produce potential international players.

The second tier should not be professional but could provide elements of professionalism and have restrictions on payments and salary caps meaning all players are part time. Funding can be reduced from the RFU and instead of paying for 100's if not 1000's of foreign players to come here we can develop UK players and become less dependant on imports and have clubs going into debt and possible extinction chasing a hopeless dream.

The RFU claim they want a pyramid system and in effect we do have one where theoretically a club from level 9 can become a premiership club if they want to but is this realistic? Every league locally is littered with clubs who tried to climb the ladder only to have their clubs destroyed financially when the money runs out and when all the "paid" players leave they cant hardly field a team that is equipped to compete. Playing players who frankly are being put in danger because fixtures must be fulfilled so they play lads who aren't good enough at those levels.

The pyramid system should be for players to progress not clubs! Clubs who have the infrastructure and finance to play nationally or regionally should be pooled into leagues which have limited promotion/relegation potential but should be encouraged to form solid relationships with schools, colleges, universities and junior clubs to facilitate the flow of talent (playing and coaching) to the correct levels. Clubs below that level should also be pooled into leagues as above but with much less financial burdens allowing to spend money they have on facilities and youth rugby etc. If they have ambitions to join a higher group it should be based on their ability to operate at that level without putting the clubs in danger and have sound business models and leadership etc not on whether you have a few grand to splash out on some players this season.

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Re: London Welsh kicked out of Championship
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 09:36:53 AM »
2 pro leagues with promotion relegation between the 2.

Any club top of the semi pro leagues can apply to join if they meet ground/stand etc requirements.